Music as a portal for empathy, lamentation, and social imagining with David Gungor of The Brilliance

While politics divides us, music is something that can bring us together. The music of the Brilliance, a musical duo made up of David Gungor and John Arndt, does just that. Their songs invite us to see the humanity in all people while wrestling with some of the most acute challenges facing our world: war, violence, immigration, political polarization, hunger, and anxiety. In this conversation, I speak with David Gungor about the transformative power of music and about the spiritual practices he is bringing to this election.

In this episode, David and I discuss:

  • How music transcends language to bring people together
  • How music offers hope by inviting us into other people’s stories and experiences
  • How music accompanies us in our healing process by transforming individual grief into collective grief
  • Why starting with questions is important in politics and in art
  • The role of music and storytelling in undermining stereotypes and inviting people to look at their own assumptions
  • Entering this election with integrity, vulnerability, creativity, and a willingness to see the good in the other side.
  • The back stories of some of their songs including “Oh Dreamer” and “Lake Coatepeque”

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Download the transcript here.

You can find David at www.davidgungor.com, on X and Instagram @davidgungor.

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All of our conversations are offered alongside a spiritual practice that can help you move through this election season in a more intentional, healthy way. Those practices, including the playlist from this episode, can be found at www.thiselection.org/spiritualpractrices

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Politics and Emotional Safety: Consent, Boundaries and Small t Trauma with Marvie Corbett

Politics has taken an incredible toll on our emotional and mental health. In this conversation, Marvie Corbett explains that politics is inherently triggering because it engages our core beliefs, which is where our sense of safety is rooted.

In this episode, Marvie and I discuss:

  • How politics related to our core beliefs, and in turn, our sense of safety
  • What small t trauma is and how it shows up in the political realm
  • What it looks like to grieve broken beliefs and create new ones that serve us
  • How Maslow’s hierarchy of needs can help us understand where we and others are on a political issue so that we don’t talk past each other
  • How understanding the difference between consent and boundaries can enable us to create safer political spaces for ourselves and others

Bring this wisdom with you as you engage:

  • Marvie and I have developed a workbook to help you address past trauma and create emotional safety for yourself and others this election season. You can sign up below to download it for free.

You can read an transcript here.

You can find Marvie at www.resnikpyschology.com.

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All of our conversations are offered alongside a spiritual practice that can help you move through this election season in a more intentional, healthy way. Those practices, including a free 30 day subscription to The Class through the election, can be found at www.thiselection.org/spiritualpractices.

If you found this conversation helpful and want to learn more:

  • Subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or Apple Music.
  • Subscribe to our email list. We share a newsletter that provides additional inspiration, practice tips, and resources to heal and ground you this election cycle.

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Political Engagement Workbook

Katie and Marvie have developed a workbook to help you understand your triggers, heal your wounds, and create safer political spaces. Sign up today to receive a free copy.